Chatting with Metacrock

Open thread to either set up or have a debate with Metacrock

More Evidence of Theist Blindness

The earthquake in Haiti was and continues to be an unmitigated disaster, relief efforts are being hampered by political slowness, thousands in need of aid. However it is bizarre to me that every time another person is pulled from the wreckage of their house somehow god gets the credit.

Apparently the hard working people of the international aid effort is only a side line to the great hand of the almighty. The small fact that if god had wanted to stop this disaster he could have done with a wave of his hand, if you believe this kind of thing, seems to have been forgotten. More the point as everything apparently happens to his design then he caused the damn thing in the first place, hence anyone who survives is a testament to either his incompetence or fickleness.

Neither of these attributes is particularly desirable in a mortal leader let alone an all powerful sky daddy. Consistency and aptitude are what you want, and yet the blatant lack of either of these traits never seems to phase the faithful.

Yet again we see god being credited with the hard work of us mere mortals, sadly often by the very people who should be cursing the very concept of a benign, loving god. I am sorry but if you want to give god credit for rescuing you then please apportion him the blame for dropping you house on you in the first place. Also ask yourself why you are so special that he had to go kill the rest of your family but save you?

Computer says No

Well it certainly is interesting working for a business that deals with ‘sensitive personal’ data. Our governance department seem to think it their job to stop us actually releasing any of the work we do. First they lock out all the USB ports on our computers so we can’t copy anything to them and now they refuse to let us use our ‘secure’ data sharing system because it is not secure enough.

Apparently they are concerned by people out there with super computers with nothing better to do with their time breaking a 128 encryption; if it’s not 256 then it’s not good enough. Personally if I had a machine capable of brute forcing a 128 encryption I would be using it for more interesting things than getting access to hospital attendance records. While I am sure that there would be some juicy secrets to tell I am not convinced it would be worth the time or money.

What I find particularly frustrating is they continually tell us what we can’t do without any suggestion of how to do what we need to. I appreciate that they have a job to do, but at what point to common sense enter the fray?

Though I suppose, to be fair, the intended recipient for our data couldn’t read it anyway, seeing as how we have to zip it in WinZip 9, as directed by their information governance, but as an organisation they use WinZip 8 so they can’t open the files anyway

Subsequently we are an information processing organisation that cannot release information to a customer who couldn’t read it anyway. Makes you wonder why you get up in the morning.

Religious Morality

This is a topic that seems to keep coming up, including in a comment to one of my previous posts. Brazen Hussey effectively asked the old question how can you be moral without god?

I have never quite understood this stand point, particularly when being spouted by people who have abrogated all responsibility for there actions to a being that cannot be questioned, either due to his ineffability (their argument) or lack of existence (mine).

How can you consider your self moral when you accept no responsibility for the decisions behind your actions? If it is claimed that god has said a particular action is good then does that make it so by definition? even if that action would be counter to common good and or against the golden rule?

Surely this is just a case of might makes right, in their world view, god is the most powerful being hence can dictate the rules, to go against these rules invites ultimate punishment and to pander to them ultimate reward, this does not speak of the morality of these edicts, simple the ability of the one making them to enforce his will. Further this does bring into question the motives of anyone doing 'good' because of pronouncements made on the behalf of such a being. If the only reason to do good is to either avoid punishment or gain reward then the choice is not moral but mercenary, not a question of ethics but expediency. How is being a good Samaritan to get into heaven any different from being paid by a dictator to uphold his laws? both are done on the basis of the results of your actions rather than whether the actions are them selves are justified.

I also find it interesting that most Christians, sorry to have to bang on about only one religion but it is the one I know the most about, seem to want to pick and chose the rules they follow. There are plenty of laws in the bible that Christians ignore and yet they still claim the ones they follow are divine. Either the whole book is godly or the whole book can be questioned, you don't get to pick and choose, if you do how do you decide which ones to follow and which ones to ignore? If some of these 'divine' laws can be ignored, what is the rational for doing so?

Suffice to say I do not need a god to be good, I have sympathy and empathy to allow me to understand the consequences of my actions, I have a good understanding of the common good to allow me to make decisions that are bigger than just myself and, most importantly, I accept responsibility for my actions rather than trying to hide behind the edicts of the biggest bully around.

Loss of faith in Humanity

For a little while i have been reading the 'Atheist in a mini van' blog, it seems that due to her blog some unpleasantness befell her children when they went camping. While there are no details the commenters seem to assume that some one took information about the trip to work out where they would be and then attacked them about the mom's blog.

It is things like this that really wreck my faith in humanity, there can never be a good reason for taking out your issues with some one on there kids. PZ Meyers has recently received a number of threats against himself and his family because of his wish to destroy a cracker, surely no-one can think that this is an acceptable way to behave in anyones (good) book.

I don't want to make this about religion, I actually don't care about the motivations of people who are so broken that they feel that this sort of behaviour is not only acceptable but positively laudable. Have these people forgotten the basic rules of citizenship and society, do they not understand that, regardless of peoples beliefs or lack of them, threatening people or there loved ones with violence is no way to convince people of the rightness of their arguments and more to the point should result in punishment.

Unfortunately my writing skills are not up to really saying how I feel so I guess this is about as far as I go.

Mauled by a Christian

I have not been posting for a while, I am sad to admit that I almost gave up on all of this after a rather unpleasant encounter with a poster on a christian blog.

This guy was arrogant, rude and abusive. He was posting stuff that would have got pulled on any site that was not moderated by someone who considered him the second coming. On the one hand he did manage to demonstrate just about all the issues that most people come up when trying to talk to a fundy, he ignored my questions, or refused to answer them, insisted on using personal attacks, did not read my citations and insisted on using a number of logical fallacies (appeals to authority and appeals to popularity). All the verbal garbage I could have dealt with but when he started accusing me of being either uneducated or to young to understand,(I am university educated and rapidly approaching middle age) I rather felt there was little that he could say that would be of any interest to me.

The worst thing of this whole affair was that he said he was a professor, an educator who thinks that belittling the person who has come ask for information seems a very poor teacher indeed, it made me feel briefly sorry for his students, until I realised that he probably lectured in theology (given his stated expertise in the subject) and it was unlikely many of his students would be challenging the fundamental basis of his world view. It was also sad to see the sycophantic hangers on that basically sat on the side lines and cheered him on regardless on how pointless and personal his attacks became.

I suppose I get that people get angry when you start to suggest that their sky fairy may be all made up but if it is going to make them abusive they should probably not be in the public domain.

Perhaps I need to develop a thicker skin? strangely I don't feel that I should extend courtesies to people on the Internet that I would not in real life. If some one insults me to my face the least they should expect is for me to walk away from them.

Well this is turning into a long post

Another point that came up during my little eye opener was he was questioning my ability to argue based on the fact that I say I am an atheist because there is insufficient evidence or argument to believe in any god, rather than because I fundamentally believe that there is no god. This actually really wound him up, which baffled me. As a believer in the scientific method surely I have to allow for the fact that we cannot prove there is no god, otherwise you are not a non believer, you are a devotee to a religion that has core beliefs (that there is no god). Would that not make me as biased and closed minded as the theists?

I know that theists have a real problem with understanding that most atheist do not actively disbelieve, I was reading a post saying that atheists all appear a little dumb because they are using up most of their brainpower denying the creator, as if I walk around all day reciting ' there is no god' to myself? I think it bothers them that I only ever think of god when someone or something brings it up. Why should I spend my time thinking about something that does not exist?

Any way I think I shall bring this ramble to a close, I shall see if anything else is happening in the real world.

Religion and Work

So some christian registrar thinks that same sex civil partnerships are sinful and refuses to officiate at them. Now as far as i am aware her job was to fulfil the duties of a registrar not to shove her bigoted christian morality down peoples throats. She is at liberty to believe what she likes however surely it is her responsibility to take a job that does not force her to go against her religion. If her employer cannot discriminate against her because of her religion how come she gets to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation.

This kind of crap makes my blood boil, if you won't do all aspects of a job why should you continue to be paid for it. How far would i get as an atheist siting a moral objection to something i wonder? what if i was a surveyor but refused to enter a church because of what it represents, does anyone really think i would get any more than very short thrift from my boss and a tribunal would laugh at me.

It is strange how she is allowed to discriminate against gay people, replace gay with black and suddenly the whole situation would be very different. Not only would she have been sacked but also vilified by the very people/papers that are citing her bravery for fighting for her beliefs.

I think the worst thing about this case is that it is being heralded as a victory for religious liberty, rather than condemned as another example of religious intolerance